Curse

tomcruisejr · Dec 01, 2005, 06:07 PM // 18:07

for non-iway players or for those people who view iway merely as "fame farm - 1v1 gank", "running like retards, clicking eviscerate, trapping ordering etc" theyre missin a lot.

people who ran iway for 395080498590845 times knows the potentials and limitations of this build in any tombs map. serious/experienced iway players can take down iway players who just want to go "reap fame and zone again" or even balanced builds.

saying that they are tired seeing iway in tombs thats why they hate it is a pathetic excuse. if youre tired seeing it, make 2-6 team mates of yours have empathy, insidous parasite, spiteful and stack it in 2 or more warriors. about saying that iwayers gets lotsa fame at high rate and the pvp community doesnt like that, pathetic. fame is just a sign that you won tombs matches. if guys from ZPZG, Te, EP, Uni etc dont mind about IWAY getting fame, why do you? insecurity complex?

get over with it guys. my "mindless" IWAY vs your complex (spike) balanced.

crimsonfilms · Dec 01, 2005, 06:21 PM // 18:21

IWAY rocks. No doubt about it. The beauty of the build is the simplicity yet effectiveness. Hell TS/Vent is not even 100% necessary unlike the more complex pressure and definetly spike builds.

Spike builds? Need TS.
Balanced pressure builds? Need heavy coordination
EDenial? Works great on casters but not warrior heavy builds or some trapper builds
Trappers? Screwed against long distance spikers

It was a joke made by an elite guild that turned to an actual competative build. It used to be 8 IWAY. Now you have several mods - including the new MIWAY.

IWAY is here to stay unless nerfed. Before you knock it down, come up with a better build that has the same easy:effectiveness ratio.

Its mindless? I say its simply genious.

(from a mostly Prot/heal PvP monk POV)

Hell Marauder · Dec 01, 2005, 08:10 PM // 20:10

This fame/rank system is going to be even more noob-unfriendly as time drags on, as more and more people gaining ranks. In the future it's going to require rank 6 to join a group, then rank 9 and so on. It's like climbing a pyramid, only few players can get there so the rank requirement is only going higher, unless there's a rank cap. So expect someone sets rank 6 as a criteria for joining their groups a few months from now.

glenn_rolfe · Dec 01, 2005, 09:58 PM // 21:58

Well for those of us that like to run/play in good capping and holding builds that require some real skill to play with some very difficult roles, we're sick of the crap level of R6+ players in tombs and I am squarely blaming this on IWAY. Either playing IWAY or beating up on IWAY.

There's nothing worse than making a PUG group with a few from your firends list, then a couple of good PUG players, then a couple of crap players that can still wolf.
You can burn your name that way because yuor build falls apart because bad players don't know where to lay traps, how to kite, body-block, blah blah blah. (I'll never again ask people I don't know to play spiteful necro or oath shot spammer that's for sure)

Guess I'll just have to adjust my thinking to anyone less than R7.5 (unless monk) is an idiot and I don't want to think like that.

(I want to think about Jessica Alba)

Rey Lentless · Dec 01, 2005, 09:58 PM // 21:58

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saying that they are tired seeing iway in tombs thats why they hate it is a pathetic excuse. if youre tired seeing it, make 2-6 team mates of yours have empathy, insidous parasite, spiteful and stack it in 2 or more warriors. about saying that iwayers gets lotsa fame at high rate and the pvp community doesnt like that, pathetic. fame is just a sign that you won tombs matches. if guys from ZPZG, Te, EP, Uni etc dont mind about IWAY getting fame, why do you? insecurity complex?

No, you aren't understanding. I have no problem with you running iway, and have no problem with playing against an iway team. If I lose to it, it's my own damn fault and I certainly wouldn't call anyone a noob who I lose to. My problem is when a group is forming and you end up with people who ranked up with iway who really have learned very little and their emote doesn't mean a whole lot.

If you're absorbing knowledge from playing against balanced team and learning how to win with other builds by only running iway, then good for you. I seriously doubt many people are however, and that concerns me with my own team. What other groups are running is their own business and if they're having fun, great.. my concern is unknowlingly having iway noobs in my group.

Linkusmax · Dec 01, 2005, 10:45 PM // 22:45

Your the kind of people perpetuating the whole bloody problem that caused this thread, you seem to think rank is everything and thus cause the damn elitisim which causes so many people to turn to IWAY in the first place. You are the ones perpetuating the thing which you claim to hate.

Rey Lentless · Dec 02, 2005, 12:00 AM // 00:00

What problem is that?

If rank doesn't mean anything, then you can play in a rankless group in win. If it does mean something and you're not rank.. whatever.. then why should you be in that group?

You can't have it both ways. Either rank means something and that's why you want to be let into a group above your rank, or it means nothing.. and why do you care if you can't get into a ranked group, go beat it with other rankless people.

I see no problem, just a lot of whining and unwillingness from people to change what they're doing to have more success.

Being rankless doesn't make you play iway.. wanting to rank up without learning how to really play does.

glenn_rolfe · Dec 02, 2005, 12:53 AM // 00:53

If all you want to eat is McDonalds, play IWAY.

If you want to find out what the taste of a juicy tender steak is, play something else.

Dralspire · Dec 02, 2005, 01:08 AM // 01:08

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Originally Posted by glenn_rolfe

... If you want to find out what the taste of a juicy tender steak is, play something else.

lol ... that settles it ... steak and lobster tonight ...

Lews · Dec 02, 2005, 02:41 AM // 02:41

I know the people who made up IWAY, they are sad about it. =/

It's a decent build. *shrug*

Any good players will kill them, though.

Kep · Dec 02, 2005, 02:53 AM // 02:53

Easiest way to get fame is to join a PvP Guild.
When I decided I wanted to explore PvP, I just said byebye to my old guild, and Joined a PvP Guild. I may of been rank0 at the time, but we played everyday in GvG and Tombs. In no time I was rank3.
Then I joined Underground Uk, and fame just seemed to come easily. I'm rank4 now and I've since left [uguk] I'm not even bothering with tombs atm, because theres no point. I maybe rank4, and done like 300 GvG's but other people don't know that. Its best just to stick with a guild and get to know the people, and play with each other everyday. Just like the Big Guilds like Treacherous Empie, and Eternum Pariah.
Basically what I'm saying if you join a PvP guild, the people know you, they know how good you are. So you'll be able to play with them all day long. If you go into tombs and try to find a group, they don't know how good you are so probably wont pick you.

OneArmedScissor · Dec 02, 2005, 03:56 AM // 03:56

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Originally Posted by Lews

I know the people who made up IWAY, they are sad about it. =/

It's a decent build. *shrug*

Any good players will kill them, though.

Are you sure you know the people that made up IWAY?

geminisaga · Dec 02, 2005, 03:57 AM // 03:57

IWAY ftw :P , modded iway is better than the orignial iway and its need a little bit coordination , So dont say Iway is noob build anymore because most iway that ppl use is modded IWAY :P.

Linkusmax · Dec 02, 2005, 05:06 AM // 05:06

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Originally Posted by Rey Lentless

What problem is that?

If rank doesn't mean anything, then you can play in a rankless group in win. If it does mean something and you're not rank.. whatever.. then why should you be in that group?

You can't have it both ways. Either rank means something and that's why you want to be let into a group above your rank, or it means nothing.. and why do you care if you can't get into a ranked group, go beat it with other rankless people.

I see no problem, just a lot of whining and unwillingness from people to change what they're doing to have more success.

Being rankless doesn't make you play iway.. wanting to rank up without learning how to really play does.

Maybe you should change what your doing? simply ask players a few questions and its easy to get a grip of whether they are any good.

Rey Lentless · Dec 02, 2005, 06:23 AM // 06:23

I don't have any problem, why would I change anything?

Merry Madrigal · Dec 02, 2005, 06:51 AM // 06:51

The problem is ANet made this cute sort of built-in reward in the game, the cutesy deer emote, and human beings being what they are (dumb and selfish) turned it into an elitist us-against-them barrier.

Same as they do with anything that distinguishes you - skin color, religion, etc.

Blame God - she made us this way.

Linkusmax · Dec 02, 2005, 07:05 AM // 07:05

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Originally Posted by Rey Lentless

I don't have any problem, why would I change anything?

So you're a hypocrit then? nice.

You seem to think players who use IWAY are automatically gonna be crap, yet if you even spend a litle time researching those who use the mod builds you will find that most are good players.

tafy69 · Dec 02, 2005, 07:24 AM // 07:24

I just think of IWAY as another Level in tombs,

Ghostly : "Prepare yourself for your toughest challenge yet... Defend Against Undead Axe warriors and their Necro Slavedrivers. Prepare for a relentless attack which if unprepared for will be devestating."

Rey Lentless · Dec 02, 2005, 07:44 AM // 07:44

How am I a hypocrite?

If I have a problem gaining fame, I will change something I'm doing. I'm not the one talking about a broken system or about game changes need to be implemented.

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You seem to think players who use IWAY are automatically gonna be crap, yet if you even spend a litle time researching those who use the mod builds you will find that most are good players.

Anyone who only runs 1 build is going to be less experienced. Iway is more likely to be bad because it isn't similiar to most other builds. Having no monks or less monks changes the game a lot in how it's played. Trying to go from iway to balanced after only doing iway... that's not a natural transition, it would be close to starting from rank 0. You can't pull an iway warr out of an iway and put them into a balanced group and expect them to know what they're doing. And even the rangers and necros and whatever else the mod's carrying, they're operating without monks, which makes the game drastically different. For example you saw one of the iway guys talking about how 'self reliance' was a trait and something that was actually a positive. That's random arena talk, that's not a trait in a balanced group, that's a negative.

Rank isn't a barrier, it's a tool used to try to identify experience in tombs when looking for random people. If you remove rank, all you'll be doing is removing that tool that is giving you a chance to prove you're worth taking in a group. It isn't a punishment, it isn't discrimination, it isn't an us vs them scenario.. it's like a resume.. and although a very poor one, it's all we have when we're dealing with random people. Yes, there are questions and conversations that identify things as well, and those are used too when random people are invited into a group.

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Are you sure you know the people that made up IWAY?

There are severals guilds who take credit for it, but considering he's in the rifts, I imagine he's talking about TFA. Not sure what he means about being sad about it, considering they still brag about inventing it (which remains to be seen).

glenn_rolfe · Dec 02, 2005, 07:52 AM // 07:52

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Originally Posted by Linkusmax

You seem to think players who use IWAY are automatically gonna be crap, yet if you even spend a litle time researching those who use the mod builds you will find that most are good players.

Well if he doesn't I do.

I can spot any IWAY trapper by asking them to run an oath shot build.
I can spot any IWAY war by asking them to target call or run shock
I can spot any IWAY necro by asking them to run spiteful
I can spot any IWAY player by asking them to get on sb vent